Well, I finally loaded 2 kayaks on my subie. Didn't realize it was somewhat difficult as I found out my straps (10') were not long enough for the slayer. The casting bar didn't help as I was trying to loop on the inside. It was a good learning experience. Here's what it looks like. The propel 10 is on the Malone Seawing which barely fits. The J cradle is the Malone Downloader for my Pelican 100.