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Automatic for the people - Native's quest for what you want next
Posted 10 August 2011 - 11:37 AM
Posted 10 August 2011 - 02:02 PM
Native has a begun a program on facebook, called automatic for the people, a venue for users and fans to voice their desires on what kind of kayak they'd like to see developed. A sit-on-top, hybrid, pedal powered or any mix, the canvas is blank.
I'd also like to hear what accessories and or improvements to the current line you'd like to see as well.
Be as specific as possible, thanks,
I've said it before, I'll say it again, Propel powered Manta Ray.:mrgreen: As most of you know by know, I am a huuuuuge Propel fanboy, and would love to see a propel drive married to a sleeker faster hull than the Mariner. Fishing benefits aside, I could see where this would be a potent combo as as long distance touring SOT in a 14 foot length. This wouldn't replace the Mariner, just augment it.
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A few modifications I'd like to see on future Ultimates:
1) Replace the front thwart tube with a stiff "U-shaped" carbon fiber brace that hugs the inside of the hull, so you can slide heavier items like a cooler back and forth. A cooler with 8 lbs of ice and a few decent size fish in it is a pain to lift up and over the front thwart tube while seated. Would also make it easier to get to stuff in the bow area with a bow skirt installed.
2) Some type of sacrificial/replaceable hull guard for the front and back. I launch from cement ramps fairly often, and no matter how careful I try to be, I am slowly grinding down those spots on the hull.
3) A redesigned rudder assembly that puts the mount on top of the hull, so when the rudder is in the up position the entire assembly is completely out of the way when I back into a mud bank. Then, the rudder mechanism would not get caked with mud. Happens to mine all the time in our tidal salt marshes.
4) Shorter Groove Tracks. They could probably be half the current length for most applications. I only use a small section of the tracks on mine, but I just use mine for a couple of Scotty rod holders.
5) Replace the foam blocks with sealed compartments fore & aft that would serve as sealed storage compartments as well as flotation. Could use water tight marine quick release deck plates to access the interiors.
6) More draining slots to aid in cleaning.
This one posted while I was writing my other reply.
I classify changes differently from "new product development". But I have some things that I personally would consider as changes. Again, we're talking minor cosmetics. But your list contains a few of the things that would be on mine.
Some of mine are variations to yours. Shorter groove tracks. OK. But I was also thinking rear groove tracks for removable Scotty mounts aft.
For drains, I would be fine if they kept the open "slits" but went back to a big ol' hole (bigger than on the original Ultimate) in the bow instead of the stern. I put those in my boats when they come in. No plug. Just an open hole.
Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:02 PM
Just drag the hull upside down a ways down the highway at 65mph and you'll have a nice big drain hole! I can speak from experience!
I've thought about the sealed fore and aft compartments with hatch covers. In the Ultimate, this would require some welding more than likely where the compartment meets the hull. Doable but tricky molding. It would add some more weight to the hull.
Initially Woody talked about the simplified version of the Ultimate but didn't mention any price drops. Thinking about the economy, I figured this would mean a stripped down hull for about the same price, but he says in an interview to Kayak Magazine that the price will drop substantially. He comes with some training from Bill Masters...the original Perception CEO...then picked up a kayak line designed to be basic to sell at an affordable price to the masses. He is smart bringing that concept to Native at times like this. Here is his interview.
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