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Posted by YakkinSETX on 08 March 2010 - 12:27 PM
Posted by redfishross on 28 May 2015 - 07:32 AM
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Posted by Bradleto on 10 January 2017 - 11:45 AM
Yes, this is an attached photo of a Slayer Propel 10 where its owner unscrewed the handle on the starboard side, then mounted cam lock paddle holders and then re-mounted the handle. As I recall, it might take a slightly longer screw.
The advantages in my opinion are: 1) the paddle isn't broken down into two pieces so it is more quickly available; 2) it is close at hand; 3) it keeps free track you might need for other things; and 4) it is one of the more elegant and attractive set-ups.
I like this slightly more than a similar set-up where bungee cord secures the paddle.
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Posted by chevybob20 on 25 September 2016 - 08:36 PM
OK, I've just read more about wire cables than I care to admit. To make a long story short, Native is using a cable of a 1x19 design. This cable is not rated to be used with a pulley which is exactly the application it is employed. This is because the stiffness of the design is not rated to handle the fatigue causing premature failure. Furthermore, if slack is introduced in the cable, extra fatigue is introduced at the set screw causing even worse life of the cable. I also believe that the stresses added by banging the rudder during loading/unloading and launching happen more than most yakkers are aware of or care to admit.
This might be an oversight by Native. If I read correctly, they changed from a 2 piece cable designed rudder control (a pure push-pull design) to a one piece drive cable pulley design. In a "push - pull" application, the cable (1x19 construction) was correct. When they instituted a pulley in the design, they should have switched to a 7x7 design.
I recommend using a 7x7, 1.5mm, 302/304 Stainless Steel cable if you use the yak in a salt environment. Replace the cable every 2 to 3 years regardless as standard maintenance.
If you only use your yak in fresh water, I recommend a galvanized steel cable, 7x7, 1.5mm. Galvanized steel cables are stronger than the stainless cables and exhibit longer life under fatigue wear like when used with a pulley. Replace the cables every 2 - 3 years as regular maintenance.
Here are my references:
Page 64 of the below linked book talks about not using 1x19 cable over a pulley
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Posted by boykinsbuddy on 14 September 2016 - 10:30 AM
I just picked up a new SP13 last week and noticed that Native no longer includes the hex head torque wrench. In the included instructions, they state to use the included standard 4mm hex wrench to tighten the screws to 35 in/lbs of torque. Unfortunately my hands are not calibrated to the proper in/lbs required for the proper instructions. I will have to go and dig up a torque wrench to set the proper in/lbs.
For those that have a broken clamp out of warranty...here is the fix: https://www.amazon.c...ds=climax clamp
Slide one of these on each side of the bar and tighten away. I would also wonder if putting a small washer in the seam of the clamp around each screw would prevent the clamp from doing any flexing or closing too much during pedaling? And I wonder if putting a set of these clamps on before the issue happens if that would prevent the cracking down the road?? The needed fix is to redesign the clamp where it is a 2 part clamp like almost all of your mountain bike handlebar stems. 2 bolts on top and 2 bolts on the bottom of the clamp. I think what is breaking the clamp is the actual side to side torque created by the pedaling motion. If any part is going to break from extended flexing over time, the bar itself should be designed to be the sacrificial part that breaks OR the bolts...not the clamp. The clamp should be the bombproof part since it is not replaceable.
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Posted by Scooty Puff Jr on 12 June 2017 - 08:56 PM
has anyone tricked out their slayer propel to be able to take their dog with them? Thanks
My wife and I have taken both of our dogs, we just put a towel down and put their dog life vests on em and away we go. It takes a little getting used to.
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Posted by Engleman on 08 May 2017 - 03:29 PM
Here's where it gets interesting. I turned over my yak to ffill in some gouges from a fishing trip to the coast and noticed that my transducer, which had been mounted down through the forward port scupper, had come partially loose and had somehow turned itself sidewise into the water slipstream. The admin of this site had originally suggested cavitation or perhaps ventilation as a reason for the slipping, so I GTS'd (Googled That S--t) causes of cavitation and ventilation. Lo, and behold, one possible cause listed was an obstruction (such as a transducer) just forward of the propeller.
So...I relocated my transducer by attaching it to the bottom of the hull inside the forward hatch on a flat spot; knelt down and said a little prayer to Poseidon, sacrificed a small crayfish and a tadpole, and went out to see if all my efforts had stopped the slipping. Whatever it was worked. I suspect it was never the Propel drive, but rather the skewed transducer. Who'd 've thunk it? It gave me a chance to collect all the tools and bearings I will ever need now, and I know the Propel drive inside and out.
Thanks to all of you for your info and suggestions. Just in time for the kingfish and cobia.
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Posted by koyote on 23 April 2017 - 03:13 PM
Manno, your videos make your point. BKB, your explanation is very clear. I stand corrected.
This is a great forum and very helpful to those with problems. Apologies to all.
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Posted by J.A. Veil on 17 April 2017 - 10:33 AM
Here are a couple of thoughts.
1) Native controls retail pricing through their dealers. All dealers are supposed to offer the same base pricing on the current model year's kayaks. A dealer may be able to sweeten a deal for a buyer by offering accessories at a discount or including some other type of service. Shipping costs, if you do not purchase at the dealer's store, is another area where costs can be juggled somewhat.
For kayaks that are older than the current model year but are still new, dealers often have more flexibility in costs.
2) This website is run by Get Outdoors, a Native retailer (I have no affiliation with Get Outdoors, but recognize their efforts in creating and maintaining this wonderful information resource). It is probably not a great idea to ask questions about which dealers will give you a lower price on this site. If that is your goal, you can do plenty of Internet searching on your own.
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Posted by neckbone on 17 October 2016 - 06:51 PM
I initially tried to tape half of the first pad down then stick the other half and move to the rest like the YouTube videos say. I found it much easier to free hand it. Think the entire thing took me 10 minutes, at the most. I'm really happy with how it turned out. Sorry, I completely forgot to take before pictures.
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Posted by papanfisher on 27 July 2016 - 03:03 PM
I wanted to start a post for my new Ultimate 12. I love this boat. I got it so that I could fish the Juniata River as I did as a kid. I could not get down to it with my two prosthetic legs. The only way that I could get down to the river was to go down to the Old Arch Bridge and put in Jacks creek then float down to the river. Then I could get to the Island where we had caught tons of small mouth and muskies. I will get down there and take lots of pictures. I will post them as I know that the Ultimate will do a great job. The boat is very stable. It has been 40 years since I have been there. I hope that it is as great as it used to be. I will have to float as much as 15 miles to the new Game & Fish launch in the Narrows. That is the only way that I will be able to do the trip as it will be the only way that I can get out of the river safely. This trip is only in my mind right now. I have the boat now. I only have to use it. I have been in the house to long. I am getting the skirts for the Ultimate. I have found them. I will have to find a way to attach them as the new Ultimate that I got not longer has the tracks on it, There is a couple sets of rapids that I will have to go down to get to the launch site to get out of the river. I envt the guys that can just throw thier boats on thier shoulders and go. I can not do that anymore, Stay tuned for the actual trip.
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Posted by Camboya7 on 10 April 2016 - 08:03 AM
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Posted by skidsteer on 19 February 2016 - 04:00 PM
A grinder with a wire brush is your friend ...
Clean everything, replace the bearings, and drive it like you stole it ...
(bearings are pretty cheap)
Or just send it to me and call it good
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Posted by ssuajk on 09 June 2015 - 12:41 AM
1) SuperNova Fish lights are good if you are trying to light up an area so your buddy can cast towards you and catch fish under your yak. As far as for you, the lights aren't of much use unless you just want to dump your rods and use a hand line near your yak. I would recommend these if you are invited to be in a river parade.
2) SeaDek is great, I have the camo kit but now there are other manufactures out there that make kits for half the price.
3) Native bow bag is just to short for most of the fish I catch, there are longer ones like Surf to Summit but I use Boone Monster fish bag, it folds easy and I can break it out once I have a keeper, until then I only use half the bag for drinks. I use those freezer gel ice packs for my bag they stay cold, they float and don't make a mess.
P.S. That little Native cooler is fine if you are catching Bream or Smelt but the keepers I go after won't fit in that cooler and I have to keep the fish whole in case Fish and Game want to do their job.
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Posted by rocketball on 06 June 2015 - 07:17 AM
I had high hopes when I ordered this boat back in December and so far its been more than I expected. Thank you Native for designing such a great boat. Got into some awesome smallmouth fishing last weekend and put this video together! enjoy
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Posted by boykinsbuddy on 20 January 2015 - 11:10 PM
When you are out there on your own it is called....ready for this? Theropy. When you are with a gang of yaks...it is called....'group theropy'!
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Posted by 02seedoc on 19 January 2015 - 11:56 AM
If they are fishing, usually a pack of liars
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